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Hi Adam,

Yes I didn't answer Clyde's question as I should. So hope to explain better here. You wrote,


>>you say that when you accept the christ and are filled with the holy spirit, all your sins including future are forgiven. I have no real problem with that per se. however, as one christadelphian asked, what if you become a mass murderer (after a true conversion being born again) and you replied that he would still be forgiven as gods forgiveness is not limited. <<

Actually I replied that Clyde's hypothetical story was really another way he argued that 'works' save, and salvation is not a free gift (contrary to Rom. 5:15-19). But let's reconsider the hypothetical 'serial killer'. Firstly, there's a serious doubt a mass murderer could possible be 'born again'. It's contrary to the bible's description of such a person (1 Jn.3:8-15). A mass murder who claims to be born again needs to be seriously doubted. "No murderer hath eternal life abiding in them. "'You will know them by their fruit' 'By love shall all men know you are my disciples… "(Mt.7:17-21 Jn.13:35). Such a person would display clear evidence they were NOT born again.

But what of a child of God who sins? "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive our sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. "(1 Jn.1:8-10). This says 'all sin' and the basis of forgiveness isn't good works, but God's love and power. What Christ did on the cross, is the power of the gospel (Rom.1:16 1 Cor.1:18, 24. 2:5). Only those born of God access that power and enjoy God's forgiveness (Jn.1:12-13). Clyde was also implying a Christian's sin has greater power than God.

Consider also; that with God all sin is the same (Rom.3:9-12, 23. 5:12). If you break one law you're broken them all (James 2:8-10) - so all are 'mass murderers' according to God's law. The law was given to prove none could save themselves and so need the new birth (Rom.9:11 Gal.4:23, 29-31 1 Pe.1:23 2:29). Which means God can forgive the worse and His grace is not limited.


>>why then does paul say woe unto someone who accepts jesus and then returns to his sins, for it is as if he is crucifying jesus again? not sure which verse, but you will know it. <<

If salvation is in view in Hebrews 6 then Christians who “fall away” can never be saved again. There’s no second chance, “impossibleto renew them again unto repentance”. So can salvation can be lost and never regained? Only in Christadelphian doctrine.

Hebrews is actually written to a mixed company of Jews - those searching, those interested, and those not so interested and those who accepted Christ. If we read Hebrews 6 carefully we see it refers to almost-persuaded Jews who decided against accepting Christ. Jews who had Old Testament scripture and law, and enjoyed God’s calling yet rejected Christ. So they would be rejecting God as well, and would be crucifying Christ afresh, there was no other sacrifice. Repentance is not just turning away from sin, it is turning to Christ. But those who were genuine the writer says, “Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are confident of better things in your case--things that accompany salvation” [Heb 6:9].

When one is born into this world they remain a human, nothing changes that. When one is born into God's family they remain one of God's children forever.

Thanks for the query, let me know if I didn't answer it. Are you a Christadelphian?

Regards, Mark



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