Want Some Answers ???King James Error
Thanks for your brief reply. And providing all those verses in which KJ radicals apply to users of other Bible versions. I would like to list them here before I comment on them. -Index
> > BIBLE CORRECTING CRIPPLES HAVE A NOTICEABLE LIMP
> > > 1. walking after the flesh - Rom 8:1,4
> > > 2. walking as men - 1 Cor. 3:3
> > > 3. walking by sight - 2 Cor 5:7
> > > 4. walking as Gentiles - Eph 4:7
> > > 5. walking in the vanity of their mind -- Eph 4:7
> > > 6. walking as fools - Eph 5:15
> > > 7. walking as enemies - Phil 3:18
> > > 8. walking in darkness - 1 John 1:6
> > >
> > > They have a problem walking:
> > >
> > > 1. in newness of life - Rom 6:4
> > > 2. after or in the Spirit - Rom 8:1,4
> > > 3. honestly - Rom 13:13
> > > 4. circumspectly - Eph 5:15
> > > 5. as children of light - Eph 5:8
> > > 6. worthy of God their vocation - Eph 4:1, Col 1:10
> > > 7. by faith - 2 Cor 5:7
> > > 8. in light - 1 John 1:7
> > > 9. in fellowship - 1 John 1:6
> > > 10. as he walked - 1 John 2:6
> > > 11. after his commands - 1 John 1:6
> > > 12. in truth - 3 John 1:4
If I understand correctly then these are serious matters indeed.
I can only think these verses above are applied to (1) translators, (2) users of versions other than KJB, and (3) those who accept that there are mistakes in the KJV [and are not afraid to say so]. A person who would apply these verses in that way must be a "Bible Twister" (not a dance routine). A Bible Twister is unable to read and understand the Bible's obvious clear meaning. He redefines verses and words with meanings the original writers never ever intended. He twists Scripture and has God's Word saying things God never said or intended to say.
I would like to go through each verse you mentioned and show why its misapplied and the bad use of Scripture. But I suspect you would not read my comments [however I certainly will if you want]. So, I'll expound the first reference and if the others are really a problem for you, then we can discuss them. The first -
>> BIBLE CORRECTING CRIPPLES HAVE A NOTICEABLE LIMP
>>1. walking after the flesh - Rom 8:1,4.<<
What does Rom 8:1,4 say ?
Rom 8:1-4 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Look at verse one. It says "no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus". But not according to KJ radicals? You tell me. Look at Rom.8:1,4 in context. Not one verse remotely refers to Christians and their languages, translations, versions, or even translators. There's nothing about inspiration, preservation, 'the very words' or those who disapprove of mistakes in translations. There's nothing about Christian's who are sinful because they read the wrong Bible. The whole passage is about those who are either in Christ [and so free from condemnation] or those who are not, so under the law of sin and death [who Christ came to save]. How could anyone read verses like these and apply them so wrongly?
When Paul talks about 'walking after the flesh' he's not referring to born again Christian's who sin by translating the Bible into languages so others can read and be saved. Or those who read a different Bible version than the KJV. This is so easy to understand that I can't believe how anyone could be so blind to apply all the other passages and twist them so far that even Elvis would be amazed.
The KJ sect have a wrong definition of sin. Another reason to reject all they teach. They say either "...you are a King James Bible Believer or you are an enemy of the Word of God". They think reading any other version is "apostate unbelief". And if you use another version because you think its more correct and are not prepared to admit the KJV is right, then in effect you are "telling the Holy Spirit He is wrong". Fuller refers to this as, "next door to the unpardonable sin". So they parallel the wilful rejection of the Gospel with a wilful rejection of the KJV. Completely and totally unscriptural. Jesus refers to those who commit this "unpardonable sin" in danger of eternal damnation (Mtt.12:31-32). But He's not talking about using Bible versions.
And most commentators believe that those who know Christ as Saviour can ever commit this 'unpardonable sin'. It's another example of poor Scriptural exegesis by KJ radicals.
They insist Christian's cannot grow in faith without the KJV. And if a Christian uses any other version they have "forsaken God's word" and will be "punished" by God. Yet the facts are, Christian's can use the KJV or any version all their life without developing any of the strange ideas of this group and grow spiritually in the Lord. Christian's are not characterised or identified by the language or translation they use. They are characterised by the indwelling Holy Spirit (Gal.3:1), their love of Christ (Jn.14:15) and their "..love one to another." (Jn.13:35).
God's people testify that He is using the clarity of modern versions to feed, speak and guide. Such Christian's are not "Bible-hating, Bible-rejecting apostates" but receive comfort, encouragement and guidance, as God speaks and glorifies His name through modern translations. And it's more likely an incomprehensible translation would produce immature Christians. Any suggestion not to read our Bible or that reading the Bible is sinful is more likely to come from Satan than God.
Any sect of group that names Christian's who read the NIV RSV etc [but not the KJV] and places God's born again Children among thieves, liars, unsaved and worthy of eternal judgment is so far from the truth and gospel that it needs people like you and me to avoid it and leave it.
Jesus says "By their fruit ye shall know them". If take the verses you supplied as correctly interpreted. And the bad guys are those who read the NIV etc and translate the Bible etc, then the KJ Christian is the true Christian alone. And if the KJV alone is the "only true Bible", these radicals should be outstanding examples of all that Christians should be. Surely those who walk in truth should live the truth.
According to the Apostle John, lack of love was the greatest proof Christians don't walk in the truth (1 Jn.4:12). The evidence of authentic spirituality according to John was in a word "love". According to Paul the clearest indication Christians know God's Word, is growth in faith and love (1 Thes.1:3-6 5:8 2 Thes.1:3-4 1 Tim.4:12 6:10 2 Tim.3:15-17 etc). Jesus said, all men will know you are My disciples by your love one for another (Jn.13:35).
Yet the literature published by radicals refer to those who use other versions or who question AV as - "lairs, fools, dung, stupid-jerks, dogs, blasphemers, brain-washed, up-starts, hypocrites, heretics, deceitful" etc. Some comments in this hate literature are slanderous, others libel. They are also known for campaigns of hate mail and abusive phone-calls. They target individuals - print their names and address then target them with mail and phone-calls. This antagonism is very damaging to their claims. Evangelicals don't always agree on every aspect of Bible doctrine but surely we must practice the old saying, 'In the essentials unity, in the non-essentials liberty, in all things charity'. And surely, 'if something is true it can stand to be questioned, if it is not true it needs to be questioned'. Cults also display such antagonism to mainstream Christianity and those who question their doctrine. This behaviour is incompatible with the KJV (Jn.13:34 15:12 Rom.13:8 15:7 1 Thes.4:9 1 Pe.1:22 1 Jn.3:11 4:7,11 2 Jn.5). Without love doctrine is a noisy clang (1 Cor.13:1). It is the one who says 'I love God' yet hates his brother who is a liar (1 Jn.4:20).
But even more serious! As if this couldn't get worse. The radical's question who can be saved? They argue so strongly all other versions are "works of the Devil...Satanic imitations...lies...polluted counterfeit rubbish" and "full of mistakes" that no one can be sure about any doctrine [including salvation] unless the KJV is consulted. They say, "an unsaved person can only be saved and born again by the Word of God" which they insist is the KJV. When they say,"...we believe the Bible, every word of it and through it we are saved", they're referring to the KJ translation. One of the KGB mob wrote to me and said,
"How do you know that you are saved? Please DON'T say '..because the Bible says so', or 'the Scriptures say so' or...'the word of God says so'....if you can't produce that Bible".
He is saying I can't be sure regarding salvation unless I produce the KJV. Another one wrote, "God has never promised, nor is obliged, to provide his words in more then one language". Anyone who is prepared to think about this will realise this has serious implications. That is that salvation is intrinsically linked to a language and a Bible version. The student of Scripture will realise the NT does not teach that salvation rests on languages or translations, but on Christ's atoning work and His death and resurrection (Jn.3:16-17 Rom.10:9). Even the KJV itself will not support the radical claims of these people. There will be many in Heaven who never read the KJV or even spoke English.
"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands" Rev.7:9 (See also Rev.5.9).
This questions their whole argument. This heavenly vision describes millions of worshippers from all nations and languages who simply accepted the Gospel message. Indeed, all the nations shall worship before Him (Ps.22:27,28 72:11,17 96:1,3,10). When it comes to salvation, Paul never mentions dialects or languages. Read the great salvation chapters of Romans and Galatians three and four. People become Christian's when they receive Christ as their Saviour and the Holy Spirit, enters their heart (Gal.3.1-3 Rom.8:9). Neither the Apostles, nor the Early Church Fathers suggest converts must learn another language. In fact, right from the beginning of the Church, the Gospel was proclaimed in various languages and dialects.
These things you might have heard before, but the reason I share them with you is because they have not yet been answered. Perhaps you could answer them?
I hope you see the truth and the KJ dogma for what it is.