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The war in Iraq……will soon be the end of this present world. This war that started on the witches' sabat of Ostara and was pronounced ended on the witches' high sabat of Beltaine has all the markings of occult planning and timing by the Masterminds of the Illuminati.” Wait and see, Meyer’s prophecy of the end of the world will NOT occur. 'America’s war' in Iraq is NOT mentioned in Scripture, but I don't think he knows that.
Hi Phillip, (your emails regarding the Illuminati)
Thanks for your mail. I’m not saying I disagree with everything 'End Time Ministries' preach but I was thinking of ‘Cutting Edge Ministries’ when I replied to you. If you want to believe what David Bay writes you are welcome, but not me. I've read the WEEKLY UPDATES from Cutting Edge Ministries . I accept much of his ministry is scriptural but much of his imagination is fanciful. Eg, let me expound just one newsletter he sent. Regarding the Maryland Shootings (those terrible sniper shootings which occurred in USA).
The whole story Bay put together came from the fact the police had discovered a "Death" Tarot Card at the scene of the Bowie Middle School shooting. And that’s all Bay needed to make up a story. He said the reader would “be amazed at the details which ” he “gleaned from this one fact”. He made up his own story on the shootings. Since they were random killings he made up something to suggest they weren’t. And contrary to the facts, what the police knew, the public statements of police and the press Mr Bay wrote, “you have to seek another pattern……...Because October 2 is the beginning day of the Satanic celebration to the Warrior Queen of Heaven, the Hindu Goddess Kali ” it was all part of a “Satanic holiday devoted to the destruction of the Old Order ” And all the “Shooting forms a Broken Cross…..the shooter was making a very clear symbol on the ground….since these attacks began on the first day of the celebration of Kali ”.
The two killers were caught, their crimes had nothing to do with what Bay said. Yet people would have read Bay's newsletter and believed it. He said these shooting were planned and to do “With the occult planned war with Iraq just months away, we felt it likely that a human sacrifice ritual might be planned by a high-ranking Illuminist witch, to ensure that the powers of the demonic realm are fully in sync with the plan ”.
And the Bali Bomb Blast? Bay was ‘convinced ’ it was “a micro-nuclear warhead that only a few nations in the world possess…a micro-nuclear device of approximately 0.02 kilotons .” So he blamed the “Illuminati ”. But all the facts have now proven this NOT true. Yet he said the Illuminati might use these “micro-nuclear warheads…..on American cities” This was “the Establishment….hell-bent upon destroying this Old World Order so they can bring in the New World Order ”
And the US/British war in Iraq? Bay says that he “stated many times…..this war with Iraq has been planned for decades as the trigger to unleashing World War III, the war that will produce Antichrist ”.
Needless to say NOTHING of the sort happened. The Bible NEVER gave Bay this idea. Yet he quoted many scriptures as if the Bible teaches it. This war was the "Final Birth Sorrows of Matthew 24:8 ” he said.
And after the gulf-war Bay said, “Saddam Hussein ” had a huge army under the city of Baghdad just waiting. They will appear suddenly (when the time was right) and destroy the American forces in the city. That’s right, it NEVER happened, Bay was wrong again. His newsletters have WW3 happening many times, and they are full of similar stories. Some of his news reports are factual and make interesting reading. But Bay seems to think he is some kind of prophet and great Bible expounder who tells the future and reveals scripture.
>>Thank you indeed dear brother for your letter e-mail. I agree with you totally in relation to a fanciful imagination and it is very true that many of these so-called end time ministries are not Christian ministries.<<
What I was trying to say was that conspiracy theories often come from fanciful imaginations. There's many “so-called end time ministries” that are “Christian ministries”. It’s unfortunate that some Christians (ie David Bay, & Meyer) have their heads fill of conspiracy theories. I can understand someone with a Pentecostal back-ground believing what they say. Pentecostalism with it's acceptance of modern day prophets is a real problem.
>>In fact many of them have been constructed by government departments to counteract the legitimate Christian ministry web-sites which are few and far between.<<
What evidence do you have that “many of them have been constructed by government departments to counteract the legitimate Christian ministry web-sites”? This sounds like conspiracy theory. Where is your evidence? Most are constructed by Christians, churches, or religious people not "by government departments."
>>Unless those who read these web-sites have the proper resources to investigate the information put forth for the public to read, then in fact it is a waste of time even clicking onto their web-sites. Many of the web-sites are actually mind control dupes set up by governmental military departments to actually make the whole Christian scene look stupid. I believe that the orchestrations have succeeded in doing just that.<<
Have you any evidence, any at all? Bays and Meyers websites are the 'waste of time'. They're the mind control dupes making 'the whole Christian scene look stupid'. Christian warfare is not with governmental military departments but with spiritual darkness, falsehood, and lies which prevents the spread of the gospel.
>>Did you know that the whole Pentecostal/charismatic was set up by the 'Illumaniti?'<<
No I didn’t. Do you seriously believe that? Any proof? The fact is, the evidence for an ‘illumanti’ exists mainly in the minds of those who believe there is an ‘Illuminati’. The ‘illunanti is yet another conspiracy theory all in itself. They are whatever you want them to be. They do whatever you want them to do. And when one digs for the truth regarding the Illuminati claims, it all disappears.
>>Did you know Billy Graham is a mind control dupe who has been successfully groomed especically to 'preach' the holy bible. Mr. Graham is also a 33 degree mason and has been financed very well to do the bidding of his 'masters'.<<
No didn't know that either. Another conspiracy theory you believe, but I don't. Dr Graham is a born again Christian who has faithfully served the Lord (not the 'masons') for years. He's an evangelist who preaches the gospel. I’ve read his books, heard his preaching, he loves and serves the Lord. Only his enemies would call him deceitful. He has been responsible for millions coming to know Christ as Saviour and many Christians renewing their commitment to Christ. Ever heard his preaching? I suggest you down-load some off the web.
>>How do I know that above information? It took me months to locate different sources of established evidence on this man, in which I felt was very important at the time due to the fact that I was attending a particular Baptist church fellowship in the SouthEnd region of England, and the fellowship admired Mr. Graham for his 'evangelical work'. I also attempted to point out that Mr. Graham is actually involved in the Eucemenical Movement to bring Roman Catholicism and Protestantism together in one unity. As usual this fellowship of believers wouldn't have it and I was their number one enemy.<<
The goals and purposes of Graham’s whole life have been to preach the gospel and win people for Christ, not unite Protestant and Catholic religions. Why don't you provide some 'evidence' and show it's not another conspiracy theory? No wonder you became “number one enemy” that's what conspiracy theories do, they spread lies and cause arguments. And the conspiracy theorist gets a bad reputation. I’m unconvinced Graham is a mason etc., but happy to read your evidence if you send it.
>>Probably the most acurate newsletter that I've been reading for years on all this rubbish is the http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org submitted by Mr. David J. Meyer.<<
So Meyer was the reason for your trouble at that Baptist church. Meyer is a conspiracy theorist like David Bay. See the damage they do? They make-up what they believe and don't care if its true or false. Their poison causes arguments in the church. 'Many false prophets have gone into the world'. They claim to predict the future and that 'God told' them. Today, God speaks through His Word not through prophets. Scripture has everything we need.
>>Unfortunately brother Meyer has different theological beliefs in which I believe are strictly contrary to the word of God. I also have communicated with this man via 'snail' letters and as usual they take certain parts of holy scripture in a literal scense.<<
What's wrong in believing the Bible in a ‘literal sense’? How did you become a Christian?
>>This also applies with Mr. Tom Lamb who I have also been communicating with. At the end of the day it's pointless arguing with men's pride and ignorance. I've requested that these above ministries preach the blessed gospel of Jesus Christ but to no avail they cannot hear me. Deaf ears brother Mark.<<
I'm not surprised they have 'deaf ears'. Billy Graham preaches the gospel of Jesus Christ and you have never heard him? And its no wonder Meyer avoids questions about his theories, he has no email address. So don’t take it personally if people reject your conspiracy theories. Most Christians rubbish such stories because they fail under scrutiny. They are stories made-up by those who don't love the truth. But you are welcome to email your research on Pentecostals and Billy Graham to prove your theories.
Thanks for the reply. I detect a certain acrimony that has developed in our emails and not without good reason because these matters are important. You said most ‘Christian websites’ are run by ‘government departments’, Graham is a Mason and the Illuminati started Pentecostalism. I'm still waiting for evidence on these. You write,
>>What part of Mr. David J. Meyer's 'Last Trumpet' newsletter is a 'theory'. What part of the newsletters 1984 to September, 2003 is 'fanciful imagination'. Every newsletter that Mr. Meyer submits is documented from world news articles and statements from the actual persons who are responsible for hideous crimes against humanity….. Is it correct what he reports? If not, show me where he has erred.<<
Yes, Meyer reads the news, documents his articles and knows Scripture. But he also twists scripture and news to suit (eg. Sept.03 Newsletter). “The United States of America is a nation that has drunken from the cup of the great whore of Revelation 17:4, and according to that verse, the beverage in that cup is a combination of abominations and the filthiness of fornication.” Most scholars of Bible eschatology wouldn’t use Rev.17:4 as Meyer. The context indicates the passage is future, as much of Revelation is. Yet Meyer says, “The book of Revelation has come alive, and we are walking within its pages every day .” In fact, he applies verses to anything regardless of context or accurateness. Does this make his bible quotes dubious?
And the Gulf War? He says, “