Want Some Answers ???Pentecostalism
Hi Shawn," ('Prophet' Easton's Bible Dictionary. M.G.Easton AGES. 1997).
Thanks for writing again. I would like to reply to few points. I mentioned that the 'slaying in the spirit' started at the birth of Pentecostalism.
>>**Dr. Mark- I don't know that I believe 'slaying in the spirit' began with Pentecostalism. I would say it began probably with the advent of the Christian church, upon the indwelling of the Holy Spirit with Christ-centered conversion in the NT. I would just place it as one of the means the Spirit can have His way with us, much like initial salvation<<
Best records are it began in the early 1900's (birth of Pentecostalism). The European father of Pentecostalism (1906) “I was like Daniel, powerless under the divine touch….and slid down to the floor” “For a long time I was lying upon my back on the floor, speaking…” (When the Fire Fell. Pas. T.B.Barratt A Hansen & Sonner 1927 pg.103, 108). Another key figure in Pentecostalism in 1908 wrote, “Almost without my notice my body slipped gently to the floor, and I was lying under the power of God….down they went right and left, in the aisles ….” (This is that. A.McPherson. Echo Park Evan. Ass, Inc 1923. pg.44). So these are the experiences of the first Pentecostals.
The modern Pentecostal movement as we know it today started in the 1900's. Let me quote, "The origins of Pentecostalism may be dated to 1 January 1901, when Miss Agnes Ozman a student at Bethel Bible College, Topeka Kansas, spoke in tongues after the principal, Charles Fox Parham (1873-1929) laid hands on her and prayed for her to receive the power of the Spirit…." (p.503 New Dictionary of Theology Inter-Varsity Press 1988).
So it started with the 'slaying in the spirit'. Something unknown to Calvin, Luther, John Owen, John Wyclif, C.H.Spurgeon, D.LMoody, C.S.Lewis, etc. It was not a practice of the Roman Catholic Church or the churches of the Reformation. And it was not a practice of Paul, Peter, John, James, Luke or Jesus.
It is completely foreign to the work of the Holy Spirit. The Laughing revival, the slaying, etc are completely foreign to the fruit of God's Spirit, ie "self-control" (Gal.5.23). Paul says every man should "exercise self-control in all things" (1 Cor.9.25). And in the church "all things" should "be done decently and in order" (1 Cor.14.40).
>>(even though I hope you would agree that salvation is an ongoing process "i.e. work out your salvation with fear and trembling" or gain maturity in your walk with Christ, grow in grace), the process of sanctification etc.<<
I believe there’s a difference between a true Christian’s Walk and Standing. He is to walk the talk, but his walk can change. It might be spiritual, or unfaithful, or weak [1 Cor.1:11 3:1-3 4:18 5:2 6:7 Col.2:20 3:8,9 Phil.2:12]. But his Standing never changes; he is always a child of God [1 Cor.1:2-9 6:11,15 Mt.16:17 Col.1:12,13 Rom.6:6 Mt.5:14].
>>Of course, concerning your personal bible study, I think even like a professor of mine said in history from a state school, 'anyone can prove what they want from the Bible', if we do not take a global approach to analyzing the scripture or at the minimum perhaps be receptive to what the Holy Spirit is leading then we will not benefit from scripture. I think you would agree to this as probably during your own walk the Holy Spirit has "quickened" certain scriptures to you or texts have jumped out at you.**<<
My point was that the bible revealed the error of Pentecostalism. Yes the Holy Spirit takes scripture and opens our eyes to what it says. I asked the Lord to help me and He did, and I encourage everyone to do the same.
I mentioned that the modern so-called "gift of prophecy" challenges the bible. You reply,
>>**whoa, whoa Dr. Mark. Who says that the end result that once the gift of prophecy is accepted that the Bible is challenged. This is ridiculous. "Prophecy" much like preaching is simply divinely guided utterance. Surely when a minister from an evangelical church preaches you do not feel the Bible is challenged. On the contrary guidance through prophecy will only uplift and uphold scripture. Lets not get confusted here. I don't even like to here people refer to themselves as "prophets" or even people in the church refer to themselves as "in leadership" For crying out loud we are Christians plain in simple.<<
"Prophecy" is not "much like preaching" its more than that. We cannot ignore the biblical meaning in the bible. "In New Testament times the prophetical office was continued. Our Lord is frequently spoken of as a prophet (Luke 13:33; 24:19). He was and is the great Prophet of the Church. There was also in the Church a distinct order of prophets (1 Corinthians 12:28; Ephesians 2:20 ;3:5), who made new revelations from God. They differed from the “teacher,” whose office it was to impart truths already revealed.